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Old 07-13-2007, 09:34 AM   #31
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Re: ATGATT is worthless

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On those days were my mind is not in top form, I don't ride... On those days I feel really good, I'll conciously push my personal envelope a bit (risk/reward analysis). We all do it, whether it is conscious or not.
Well said Brian and exactly why the stats are as they are. Risk management...that is what it is all about.

And as to the title Jim, i am getting it now.
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:48 AM   #32
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...Good reminder that gear does not relieve us of the need to exercise judgment. Thanks,
Amen. Lost a relative from lack of use of what Jim/others call the most important piece of gear, the brain.


Thanks for the post and leave the title alone.
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:57 AM   #33
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Re: ATGATT is worthless

I like the honda ads you see in the magazines they put it best. STUPID HURTS
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Old 07-13-2007, 01:28 PM   #34
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Re: ATGATT is worthless

By no means do I operate under a thin veiled cloud that leather is going to save me from some horrific incident nor does it give me confidence to ride beyond my skill. I do know it will protect my skin, hands, feet and head in most cases. Though I have a huge threshold for pain tolerance, I don't think it would be something I'd want to test. (yeah, ruptured appendix and almost kicked it in 05, next time, GO to the hospital)

I'm terribly sorry for your loss and completely understand your thoughts however. My thoughts and prayers are with all.

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Old 07-13-2007, 02:15 PM   #35
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Re: ATGATT is worthless

In the UK we have a govt determined to nanny us to death, so to speak. Despite ever increasing use of speed cameras, safety initiatives etc... things aint getting better, why?

The Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) in contrast advocates the theory of risk compensation. Everyone has an accetable level of perceived risk, the safer they feel the more risks they take, wearing all the gear, riding with your headlight on, ABS brakes, all make you feel safer, so you compensate by riding faster/with less concentration. The higher the percieved risk, the safer the riding. i.e. if you drive a car with bad brakes, no seat belt and a sharpened metal stake in the steering wheel you will drive more carefully.

This theory helps to explain why safety laws, like helmet regulations, make far less difference than they ought to. I suspect that riders with all the gear subconciously ride faster & take more risks than riders without only, as pointed out, all the gear doesn't help when you hit something hard. So good people die.
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:42 PM   #36
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Re: ATGATT is worthless

Loki, thanks for the post, and the thought it provokes. Most of my opinions have already been stated, as usual, more eloquently than I could. Cain't fix stupid.
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:48 PM   #37
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Re: ATGATT is worthless

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Heck, even driving a car at that speed, I would not expect to make it alive.
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Exactly my point.

As for the title, it was my intent to grab your attention. The title and the story is a warning. When you're being stupid on a motorcycle, how much protection can ATGATT provide compared to all the steel on a car?

Maybe it's the motorcycle races we watch. We see the racers do triple digit speeds. Sometimes they crash and usually they walk away.
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:53 PM   #38
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Sad to hear about your friend, Jim.

The bottomline message I gleaned is this:

ATGATT, like everything, has its limits. Don't push them.
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:58 PM   #39
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Maybe it's the motorcycle races we watch. We see the racers do triple digit speeds. Sometimes they crash and usually they walk away.
The tracks are built for that type of riding, the streets are not.
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:04 PM   #40
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Jim, I'm so sorry for the loss of a friend... this has been a situation that has come about recently when I've been leading rides and such... some call me a wuss when I say triple-digit speeds aren't appropriate for public roads... I don't really care if I'm a "wuss"... I am proud of my wussdom... your story illustrates my point, unfortunately... I wish more people would listen... many won't but maybe a few will and, for that, it will be worth it for those few... thanks for taking the time to share your story... rip to your friend and peace to family and friends.
Thank you Tyler Wuss.

I had similar "wuss" thoughts whenever I rode with you. Seriously Tyler, you are not only an excellent rider, you're also a smart one.
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